I think that the left likes to confuse the issue of immigration; they're either too stupid or too mendacious to approach it honestly. A comfortable majority of this country wants immigration vastly reduced, and those who are here illegally, or are unable or refuse to integrate, to be removed. However, the majority of people holding these views are not white nationalists. They accept that a small number of foreign immigrants that are law-abiding, hard-working and want to integrate is no problem. The Hong Kongers mostly fit into that group. Hardly anyone wants to see them removed.
If this incompetent and malign government threatens their place in this country, whilst hosting and encouraging millions of foreigners who are a threat to our way of life, it will not be at the behest of the British people. Or Reform.
Yeah I can see that argument for sure, and the left panics and throws everything (and everyone) into recalibrating to deal with anti-(mass)immigration concerns. BUT it is the case that Farage explicitly ruled out an exemption on Hong Kongers too, and that’s not really encouraging at all
"Farage explicitly ruled out an exemption on Hong Kongers too, and that’s not really encouraging at all"
Fantastic. I might vote for him. You really need to experience a bit of the fear and worry that millions of British people have experienced over the last 25 years. You might learn something from it.
HK is an exploiters' paradise. What are you worrying about?
That's politics. The issue of HKers regarding settled status isn't really on many people's radars right now. If it becomes a bigger issue, I'd imagine that there'd be pressure from Reform's supporters to exempt them. Nigel has folded several times on other issues, following pressure from the base. I'm sure it'll be a similar story with this.
I know plenty of very middle class people who are sick of the problems HKers have caused in the housing market in various areas. Ditto in Canada and Australia.
None. It doesn't need and never did. The crisis of the 1970s was resolved in favour of the capitalist class by fixing unemployment at around 1.5 to 2 million from the mid 1980s onwards together with increasingly lower unemployment benefits. When Blair opened the border in 2000 the ratio of unemployed people to job vacancies was between 2 and 3 to 1. So objectively then as now there were no labour shortages. The Daily Mail et al can wail about "nine million people not working" but it's nothing more than a psy op to confuse people about the true state of play in the labour market: there are just 717,000 job vacancies for the 1.8 million people registered unemployed in a system with the lowest unemployment benefits in the OECD and punitive and deadly benefits sanctions (82 deaths associated so far with the removal of income).
The disruption that the huge influx of first Pakistanis and Africans and then Eastern Europeans caused to British people's employment prospects, housing options and public services around the country eventually blew up in the Establishment's face with Brexit. Boris Johnson's refusal to heed the message that was very clearly sent in 2016 in the end tanked the Tories, ditto the refusal to tackle the illegal immigration from which certain financial interests in his party profit from so handsomely.
Your fears and selfishness are causing you to make an analytical error: you think by continually pushing for more immigration you're warding off the day when mass deportations start. Instead you're bring it closer since this country is now grossly dangerously over-populated. And the extremely serious problems which have arisen in towns and cities around this country are now so incendiary that it has granted leverage to the American state over the choices the British government of the day can make. Not to mention threatening to bring the whole house of cards down.
If in the end this deeply unstable situation spirals out of control and results in you relocating I have precisely zero sympathy for you since you have failed to exhibit any understanding towards those who have suffered to one degree or another from this disastrous unneeded undemocratic policy.
Thanks Cindy - it is a worrying trend the world over. In Australia I thought we had largely buried the Pauline Hanson tendency. We have a large Chinese population in Sydney (far higher % than UK) who are generally very well respected; well integrated and very successful career wise, economically and academically. We even have at least two "loud", popular and bold female, Chinese comedians - Jenny Tian and Annie Louey. But recently a couple of individuals from the right of the Liberal Party, which is one half of our opposition Conservative Coalition, have displayed worrying positions. In the last election Liberal Jane Hume disastrously questioned Chinese Australians loyalty - this cost the Party marginal seats with a Chinses diaspora and appalled most Liberals. More recently fundamentalist Christian and ex SAS Army Officer, Andrew Hastie has resigned from the opposition front bench as he wanted a tougher migration policy. As he has a lot of UK and South African recent migrants in his WA seat, you wonder who he is targeting. His answer is international students who are predominantly Asian unlike the larger groups of "back packers" who are predominantly British or European. Neither group can easily buy property so the arguments he uses about local first time buyers are a nonsense. I suspect he is Farage or Trump "lite". He is a right wing "Christian Nationalist" who even used the Starmer meme of "strangers in our country" (try that with our Aboriginal population). So far he is a minority opinion in a minority faction. Let us hope it keeps it like that. - Love your work
Yeah but anyone who's actually had sufficient contact with that culture to learn how they really think very quickly discovers the delusional superiority complex, the avarice, the selfishness, not to mention the many links with the CPC which will represent a serious security threat if there's war over Taiwan.
Then of course the practical problems created in the housing market by money imported from the exploiters' paradise of HK.
It's perfectly normal for people to prefer those of their own ethnic group. The Chinese are the biggest exponents of in group preference globally.
Britain is mad if it doesn’t encourage more Hong Kong chinese to come here and then to make the route to citizenship as quick and clear as possible . The country needs hard working law abiding people who have grown up in a British administration .
The UK does not need any more labour or pressure on its housing market. There are 1.8 million people registered unemployed competing for just t717,000 job vacancies in a system with the lowest unemployment benefits in the OECD.
If they're so hard working they'll be fine in HK or China. I mean if Cindy loves Chinese culture so much it seems a no brainer really?
I think that the left likes to confuse the issue of immigration; they're either too stupid or too mendacious to approach it honestly. A comfortable majority of this country wants immigration vastly reduced, and those who are here illegally, or are unable or refuse to integrate, to be removed. However, the majority of people holding these views are not white nationalists. They accept that a small number of foreign immigrants that are law-abiding, hard-working and want to integrate is no problem. The Hong Kongers mostly fit into that group. Hardly anyone wants to see them removed.
If this incompetent and malign government threatens their place in this country, whilst hosting and encouraging millions of foreigners who are a threat to our way of life, it will not be at the behest of the British people. Or Reform.
Yeah I can see that argument for sure, and the left panics and throws everything (and everyone) into recalibrating to deal with anti-(mass)immigration concerns. BUT it is the case that Farage explicitly ruled out an exemption on Hong Kongers too, and that’s not really encouraging at all
"Farage explicitly ruled out an exemption on Hong Kongers too, and that’s not really encouraging at all"
Fantastic. I might vote for him. You really need to experience a bit of the fear and worry that millions of British people have experienced over the last 25 years. You might learn something from it.
HK is an exploiters' paradise. What are you worrying about?
That's politics. The issue of HKers regarding settled status isn't really on many people's radars right now. If it becomes a bigger issue, I'd imagine that there'd be pressure from Reform's supporters to exempt them. Nigel has folded several times on other issues, following pressure from the base. I'm sure it'll be a similar story with this.
I know plenty of very middle class people who are sick of the problems HKers have caused in the housing market in various areas. Ditto in Canada and Australia.
"What immigration does Britain need?"
None. It doesn't need and never did. The crisis of the 1970s was resolved in favour of the capitalist class by fixing unemployment at around 1.5 to 2 million from the mid 1980s onwards together with increasingly lower unemployment benefits. When Blair opened the border in 2000 the ratio of unemployed people to job vacancies was between 2 and 3 to 1. So objectively then as now there were no labour shortages. The Daily Mail et al can wail about "nine million people not working" but it's nothing more than a psy op to confuse people about the true state of play in the labour market: there are just 717,000 job vacancies for the 1.8 million people registered unemployed in a system with the lowest unemployment benefits in the OECD and punitive and deadly benefits sanctions (82 deaths associated so far with the removal of income).
The disruption that the huge influx of first Pakistanis and Africans and then Eastern Europeans caused to British people's employment prospects, housing options and public services around the country eventually blew up in the Establishment's face with Brexit. Boris Johnson's refusal to heed the message that was very clearly sent in 2016 in the end tanked the Tories, ditto the refusal to tackle the illegal immigration from which certain financial interests in his party profit from so handsomely.
Your fears and selfishness are causing you to make an analytical error: you think by continually pushing for more immigration you're warding off the day when mass deportations start. Instead you're bring it closer since this country is now grossly dangerously over-populated. And the extremely serious problems which have arisen in towns and cities around this country are now so incendiary that it has granted leverage to the American state over the choices the British government of the day can make. Not to mention threatening to bring the whole house of cards down.
If in the end this deeply unstable situation spirals out of control and results in you relocating I have precisely zero sympathy for you since you have failed to exhibit any understanding towards those who have suffered to one degree or another from this disastrous unneeded undemocratic policy.
Thanks Cindy - it is a worrying trend the world over. In Australia I thought we had largely buried the Pauline Hanson tendency. We have a large Chinese population in Sydney (far higher % than UK) who are generally very well respected; well integrated and very successful career wise, economically and academically. We even have at least two "loud", popular and bold female, Chinese comedians - Jenny Tian and Annie Louey. But recently a couple of individuals from the right of the Liberal Party, which is one half of our opposition Conservative Coalition, have displayed worrying positions. In the last election Liberal Jane Hume disastrously questioned Chinese Australians loyalty - this cost the Party marginal seats with a Chinses diaspora and appalled most Liberals. More recently fundamentalist Christian and ex SAS Army Officer, Andrew Hastie has resigned from the opposition front bench as he wanted a tougher migration policy. As he has a lot of UK and South African recent migrants in his WA seat, you wonder who he is targeting. His answer is international students who are predominantly Asian unlike the larger groups of "back packers" who are predominantly British or European. Neither group can easily buy property so the arguments he uses about local first time buyers are a nonsense. I suspect he is Farage or Trump "lite". He is a right wing "Christian Nationalist" who even used the Starmer meme of "strangers in our country" (try that with our Aboriginal population). So far he is a minority opinion in a minority faction. Let us hope it keeps it like that. - Love your work
Yeah but anyone who's actually had sufficient contact with that culture to learn how they really think very quickly discovers the delusional superiority complex, the avarice, the selfishness, not to mention the many links with the CPC which will represent a serious security threat if there's war over Taiwan.
Then of course the practical problems created in the housing market by money imported from the exploiters' paradise of HK.
It's perfectly normal for people to prefer those of their own ethnic group. The Chinese are the biggest exponents of in group preference globally.
Britain is mad if it doesn’t encourage more Hong Kong chinese to come here and then to make the route to citizenship as quick and clear as possible . The country needs hard working law abiding people who have grown up in a British administration .
The UK does not need any more labour or pressure on its housing market. There are 1.8 million people registered unemployed competing for just t717,000 job vacancies in a system with the lowest unemployment benefits in the OECD.
If they're so hard working they'll be fine in HK or China. I mean if Cindy loves Chinese culture so much it seems a no brainer really?
Knowledgeable writing on UK / China always welcome; many thanks